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2006: Obama In Kenya: I Am So Proud To Come Back Home - VIDEO HERE.
2007: Michelle Obama Declares Obama Is Kenyan And America Is Mean - VIDEO HERE.
2008: Michelle Obama Declares Barack Obama's Home Country Is Kenya - VIDEO HERE.
FLASHBACK: Obama Is The Original Birther! Obama In 1991 Stated In His Own Bio He Was Born In Kenya. DETAILS HERE.
SHOCK CLAIM: Breitbart Reporter Charles Johnson Has Documented Proof Obama is Indonesian Citizen - AUDIO HERE.
WATCH SHERIFF JOE'S 2ND OBAMA INVESTIGATION PRESS CONFERENCE HERE: CLICK HERE.
WATCH SHERIFF JOE'S 1ST PRESS CONFERENCE ABOUT OBAMA'S FORGED IDENTITY DOCUMENTS HERE: http://www.art2superpac.com/joe.html
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2007: Michelle Obama Declares Obama Is Kenyan And America Is Mean - VIDEO HERE.
2008: Michelle Obama Declares Barack Obama's Home Country Is Kenya - VIDEO HERE.
FLASHBACK: Obama Is The Original Birther! Obama In 1991 Stated In His Own Bio He Was Born In Kenya. DETAILS HERE.
SHOCK CLAIM: Breitbart Reporter Charles Johnson Has Documented Proof Obama is Indonesian Citizen - AUDIO HERE.
WATCH SHERIFF JOE'S 2ND OBAMA INVESTIGATION PRESS CONFERENCE HERE: CLICK HERE.
WATCH SHERIFF JOE'S 1ST PRESS CONFERENCE ABOUT OBAMA'S FORGED IDENTITY DOCUMENTS HERE: http://www.art2superpac.com/joe.html
SHERIFF JOE TEA-PARTY PRESENTATION VIDEO HERE: http://www.art2superpac.com/arizonavideo.html
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THE TERRY LAKIN STORY
Barack Obama is NOT a “natural born Citizen of the United States” and is thus constitutionally ineligible to be the President and Commander in Chief of our military. Obama was born to a FOREIGN NATIONAL FATHER who was NEVER a U.S. Citizen nor was Obama’s father even an immigrant to the USA or even a permanent resident in the USA. For no other U.S. President in the history of the nation since the founding generation (who were exempt from the natural born Citizen clause in the U.S. Constitution via a grandfather clause in Article II Section 1) was that the case, i.e., having a foreign national father who was never a U.S. Citizen or even an immigrant to this country. Obama being seated as the putative president is an outrageous violation of Article II Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, the presidential eligibility clause. Obama was not born with sole allegiance to the USA. Sole allegiance and unity of Citizenship at birth was the goal and purpose for putting the natural born Citizen clause into Article II Section 1 of the Constitution as to who could serve as president once the founding generation has passed away. Obama (II) was born a British Subject via his foreign national father Obama (Sr.) who was a British Subject. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen of the United States” to constitutional standards since he was born with dual allegiance and citizenship. The founders and framers did not want anyone with foreign allegiance to ever get command of our military, i.e., be the president. Obama is constitutionally not eligible to be president and commander in chief of our military.
Adjectives mean something. A “Citizen at Birth” is not logically identically equal to a “natural born Citizen at Birth”. Barack Obama may be a ‘Citizen of the United States’ but he is not a ‘natural born Citizen of the United States’ and does not meet the constitutional standards as to who can be the President and Commander in Chief of our military: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-maybe-citizen-of-united-states.html
The natural born Citizen clause in our Constitution is a national security clause inserted into our Constitution by John Jay and George Washington. Read why the natural born Citizen clause is still important and worth protecting.
Five Citizenship Terms Mentioned in the U.S. Constitution: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11737124/Citizenship-Terms-Used-in-the-US-Constitution-The-5-Terms-Defined-Some-Legal-Reference-to-Same
Of Trees and Plants and Basic Logic and Citizenship Types: http://www.scribd.com/doc/44814496/Of-Trees-and-Plants-and-Basic-Logic-Citizen-at-Birth-NOT-Identical-to-Natural-Born-Citizen
See evidence Obama forged the birth certificate posted on White House servers 27 Apr 2011: http://www.scribd.com/collections/3166684
See evidence Obama is using a SSN 042-68-4425 not legally issued to him: http://www.scribd.com/collections/3260742
Click on image for details
See evidence of Obama’s forged and back dated draft registration here: http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/
The Obama constitutional eligibility issue is not a fringe issue! South Carolina Poll Results – A poll done by Public Policy Polling (PPP) shows that almost 2/3 of GOP voters want Obama’s constitutional eligibility and true legal identity investigated. This is not a fringe issue: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=340805
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December 12, 2011 (TPATH) The honorable John Jay, the first leader of the United States Supreme Court, initiated the insertion of "Natural Born Citizen" into the Constitution for the purpose of setting a higher standard for the office of the President.
All of the verbal gymnastics being put forth by the left, as to the meaning of the term, will eventually be proven to be just what it is.
Unlawful defense of an individual and political party at the expense and detriment of this country.
When you watch this video you will begin to wonder how this country continues to allow such simple and precise language to be twisted, manipulated and convoluted.
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December 12, 2011 (TPATH) The honorable John Jay, the first leader of the United States Supreme Court, initiated the insertion of "Natural Born Citizen" into the Constitution for the purpose of setting a higher standard for the office of the President.
All of the verbal gymnastics being put forth by the left, as to the meaning of the term, will eventually be proven to be just what it is.
Unlawful defense of an individual and political party at the expense and detriment of this country.
When you watch this video you will begin to wonder how this country continues to allow such simple and precise language to be twisted, manipulated and convoluted.
WATCH THE VIDEO PART ONE
WATCH THE VIDEO PART TWO
We have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on.
On MARCH 23, 1775, Patrick Henry spoke to the Second Virginia Convention, which was meeting in Richmond's St. John's Church due to British hostilities:
"I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery...
We have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated...We have prostrated ourselves before the throne...
Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence."
Patrick Henry continued:
"There is a just God who presides over the destines of nations...who will raise up friends to fight our battle for us.
The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave...
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!
I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death."
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An election for President and Commander in Chief of the Military must strive to be above reproach. Our public institutions must give the public confidence that a presidential candidate has complied with the election process that is prescribed by our Constitution and laws. It is only after a presidential candidate satisfies the rules of such a process that he/she can expect members of the public, regardless of their party affiliations, to give him/her the respect that the Office of President so much deserves.
All those who have been following the Obama eligibility issue well know that Article II, Section 1, clause 5 provides that “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. . .” At this blog, I have already explained the importance of the “natural born Citizen” clause. See my essay entitled, Why the “Natural Born Citizen” Clause of Our Constitution Is Important and Worth Preserving, located at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-natural-born-citizen-clause-is.html. In order for Obama to prove that he is an Article II “natural born Citizen,” he must conclusively demonstrate that he was born in the United States to a United States citizen mother and father. For legal support for this definition of what an Article II “natural born Citizen” is, see, among others, my articles at this blog entitled, The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth, located at
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/09/natural-born-citizen-clause-requires.html;
Article II “Natural Born Citizen” Means Unity of Citizenship At Birth, located at
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/04/article-ii-natural-born-citizen-means.html;
and ‘The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law’ as U.S. Federal Common Law Not English Common Law Define What an Article II Natural Born Citizen Is, located at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/08/law-of-nations-and-not-english-common.html.
At present, there is much controversy regarding where Obama was born. We have seen much contradictory information regarding this issue. Obama maintains he was born in Hawaii at Kapi’olani Medical Center and as his best evidence he has posted on the internet a computer-imaged Certification of Live Birth (COLB, which is a summary of his alleged long-from hospital-generated birth certificate) to prove that fact. According to the laws of Hawaii, this summary document, which does not contain information as to which hospital he was born in or what doctor delivered him, is only prima facie evidence of a birth in Hawaii. On the other hand, there exists evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. For a presentation of this evidence, see my essay on this blog entitled,
Obama Has Not Met His Burden Of Proving He Was Born In Hawaii, located at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2008/12/obama-has-not-met-his-burden-of-proving.html. Additionally, just over the last few days, we have seen surface on the internet old newspaper articles that were written in African newspapers in 2004 stating that Obama was born in Kenya. http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/video-documents-discovery-of-ap-story-declaring-obama-kenyan-born/; http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/2-more-african-news-agencies-declare-obama-kenyan-born/; http://thepmnews.com/2008/11/25/two-nigerians-tipped-as-potential-%E2%80%98british-obama%E2%80%99. Because of this conflicting information, the prima facie validity of the COLB must fail. Hence, Obama should present evidence that corroborates his and the State of Hawaii’s position that he was born in Hawaii and that he is a “natural born Citizen. He has without good reason refused to provide this evidence.
It has been reported how past Hawaiian State practices with its birth certificate procedures have presented opportunities for birth certificate fraud. An example of such fraud is that of Chinese native, Sun Yat Sen, one of the founders of the Republic of China, who was born in China but was able to obtain a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth in 1904 based on his fraudulent affidavit and evidence submitted by witnesses to the Hawaiian authorities stating that he was born in Hawaii on November 24, 1870. http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Certification-of-Live-Birth-in-Hawaii. See also the September 2000 report of the Office of Inspector General, entitled “Birth Certificate Fraud,” which provides an update on the nature and extent of birth certificate fraud, found at http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf. Because of critical importance of knowing for sure who the President is, the potential for birth certificate fraud, and since Obama’s original long-form birth certificate housed in the offices of the Hawaii Department of Health can be some type of certificate (even a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth) that is based on some family member’s affidavit of personal knowledge but which includes no documentary evidence of an actual birth in Hawaii, it becomes crucial to confirm whether there exists any corroborating evidence of Obama actually being born in Hawaii. Consequently, various members of the public have tried to obtain information that would adequately confirm Obama’s and the State of Hawaii’s statements that he was born in Hawaii. These concerned citizens have made requests to the State of Hawaii and to various hospitals there for such information. The State of Hawaii, Kapi’olani Medical Center, and Queens Medical Center (originally claimed by Obama’s sister to by his birth place) have publicly stated that they cannot release the needed details of Obama’s birth, including whether his deceased mother was even a maternity patient in any of those hospitals, because of Obama’s state and federal privacy rights. Not being successful, some of these concerned citizens, feeling duty bound to the Constitution and our country, have filed law suits and Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) actions against Obama and others to obtain this information.
Given that Obama and/or his agents have already publicly released some information regarding his place of birth, one commentator, William, has asked me on my blog ( http://puzo1.blogspot.com/. ) whether Obama has waived his privacy rights to such birth information. At least two arguments can be advance that Obama has waived any privacy right that he might have in his birth information located in the State of Hawaii and in its hospitals. One is that he has waived his privacy rights to his alleged long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate by posting his COLB on the internet for the world to see. A problem with this argument is that the COLB does not disclose all his private information (name of hospital, doctors, etc.) and he can argue that his waiver is only as to the information contained on the COLB and no more. As a response, it can be argued that Obama waived his privacy right as to the identity of the hospital in which he was born given that he allegedly wrote a letter dated January 24, 2009 to Kapi’olani Medical Center in which he acknowledge being born there and which letter the hospital posted on its web page (suspiciously posting not a scan of an actual paper letter but only a computer-generated image created with HTML code) for the world to see. For more details, see the WND story on the letter at http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=104146. I have grave doubts whether this letter is authentic given that both Obama and U.S. Rep. Neil Abercrombie D-Hawaii, who allegedly gave the letter to the hospital and publicly read the letter during the hospital’s centennial celebration, refuse to confirm whether this letter is real.
The second argument is more powerful and convincing. Under Article II, a would-be President must be a “natural born Citizen” to be eligible for the Presidency. Hence, any candidate knows that such “natural born Citizen” status is required to hold the public Office of President. No one winning an election and wanting to fill that public office has a reasonable expectation of privacy as to where he/she was born given that job’s eligibility requirement that one must be a “natural born Citizen.” See my article on this blog entitled, Obama’s Personal Right To Privacy Cannot Trump The Right Of The People To Know Who Their President Is, at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2008/12/obamas-personal-right-to-privacy-cannot.html. Of course, that person’s obligation to prove his/her “natural born Citizen” status includes providing credible, competent, and sufficient documentary and other evidence of, among other things, place of birth. Clearly and without doubt, the public interest in knowing that the President-elect is eligible for the office he/she seeks to fill by far out weighs any privacy interest that the person may have in his/her birth documents. It is also clear that knowing who the person is who will occupy the Office of President and Commander in Chief concerns national security and the safety of the United States and the whole world. It is not reasonable to believe that such a person’s privacy interest would out weigh the People’s need to safeguard national security and for self-preservation. Simply put, it would be beyond absurdity to honestly contend that such a person has a right to shield from the same People that he/she is constitutionally duty bound to serve and protect information that he/she must provide to them to show that he/she is qualified for that singular and all-powerful public position which would vest him/her with great power to affect every aspect of the People’s lives.
But underneath the privacy rights question lurks a much more serious concern. We can see the absurdity of Obama sitting on privacy rights to conceal his long-form birth certificate from the public. It is downright despicable for our media and Congress and others to apologize for Obama and let him get away with it. They know full well that he has no such privacy rights. The birth information and documents that Obama refuses to reveal to the public surely are revealing of whether his is eligible to hold the Office of President. Why has the media not filed any legal actions against Obama, the State of Hawaii, and other parties, seeking to legally lift any privacy barriers to Obama’s birth information as it has so many times in the past filed actions against others running for public office who sought to prevent the public from learning details of some aspect of their private lives? What is a travesty of justice is that Obama was probably able to win his U.S. Senate seat because the media (Chicago Tribune) filed a legal action against rival Republican Jack Ryan in which it was successful in getting the “kinky sex” details of his divorce released to the public. Why the media in our country would believe what type of sex two consenting married adults practice is more important than making sure that the national security of our country is protected is beyond comprehension and represents the quintessence of warped priorities. I do not believe that anyone who truly cares about our country and Constitution can express enough in words the outrage that he/she feels about how cowardly our political leaders and media have acted with Obama on the question of his place of birth.
Congress has abdicated its constitutional oath and the media, the so-called fourth branch of our government, has failed to perform its journalistic duty to the People of the United States to assure them that Obama’s election to the highest and most powerful office in the land adhered to our Constitution and laws. Congress has been given a chance to correct its failings and still it refuses to perform its constitutional obligation. With the assistance of its media cronies and others, they all ridicule and suppress the efforts of those who are fighting to make sure that our Constitution has been respected in the last Presidential election and that our nation is safe with Obama currently occupying the Presidency and being the Commander in Chief of our military might.
We must then ask ourselves why Congress and the media have not pressed Obama for the necessary and relevant birth information for at least the sake of the integrity of the Presidential election process and the safety of our nation? Moreover, Obama cannot be an Article II “natural born Citizen” because under the British Nationality Act of 1948 when Obama was born in 1961 his father was a British subject/citizen and Obama himself was born a British subject/citizen. See Obama, the Putative President of the U.S., Is Currently Also a British Citizen, located at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-president-of-us-is-currently-also_29.html. Like a naturalized citizen who is not eligible to be President, Obama was born with an allegiance to a foreign power and is therefore not eligible to be President and more so not eligible to be the leader of our military men and women. To allow Obama to hide his birth information and to not challenge him for not being an Article II “natural born Citizen” is nothing more than at best, politicians and those in their coterie allowing corrupt party politics, self-interest, and/or cowardice to blind their constitutional duty to protect and defend our country and Constitution, at worst, part of someone’s plot to attack and destroy the United States from within, or both. Given that any attack on the United States will most likely come from within, these latter two scenarios must be given serious consideration and ruled out only after sufficient evidence exists to so rule them out. Hence, the deliberate or reckless failing by those who are supposed to protect and defend our country and Constitution is tantamount to treason.
All members of Congress that have allowed and continue to allow the raping of our Constitution and the placing of our nation at risk to being attacked from within need to be removed from Congress, without any exceptions. As to what to do with those members of the media and others who have failed and continue to fail to do their job to adequately protect and defend our Constitutional Republic, that is a question for another day.
Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
185 Gatzmer Avenue
Jamesburg, New Jersey 08831
October 18, 2009
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maybe you should google what crosshairs look like. because those aren't surveyor's symbols.
ReplyDeleteWhat is a "surveyor's symbol"? I'm hearing all kinds of back-pedaling rationalizations by right-wing extremists... "They are not cross hairs, they're 'surveyor's symbols'!". "They are cross hairs, but who cares?" "I can't imagine why anyone would associate the symbols and terms [ie: reload, target, bulls eyes, etc.] with gun violence!"
ReplyDeleteWell, I got news for you... Sarah Palin herself referred to the as "cross hairs".... "like the kind you see on a map". When do we routinely see cross hairs on a map? What kind of map is Sarah accustomed to looking at? She doesn't strike me as a person particularly interested in geography.
The fact that she would claim that she can't understand how people could possibly equate the imagery and language in question with gun violence is just one more example among countless others of why she is so unfit to hold public office.
She realized this early on, and made the wise move to capitalize on being an attention whore. She keeps herself in the headlines by crafting the well-timed intermittent inflammatory Facebook status post. This ensures that she is maintains as much publicity as Lindsay Lohan, and therefore ensures the steady stream of lucrative and cushy jobs in TV, ghostwritten books, and political appearances (prepped with palm crib notes, of course).
Could you please show one NON Sarah Palin map which uses this "surveyors symbol"? You had to extract the symbol from the very map you're defending for the comparison to a gunsight.
ReplyDeleteI'd also like to see a link to the "surveyor's symbol" that is from a surveyor related source and not from the same Palin map with labeling made since yesterday.
ReplyDeleteAlso, your example of crosshairs is rather comically cherry picked. What about this one?
http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/103246/103246,1265299632,3/stock-photo-illustration-of-rifle-or-gun-cross-hairs-target-sight-45944464.jpg
Or this one?
http://www.clipartguide.com/_small/0808-0809-1213-0534.jpg
Or this one?
http://www.fotosearch.com/bthumb/CSP/CSP219/k2197290.jpg
Google Search: rifle cross hair
ReplyDeleteFirst image displayed:
http://www.clipartguide.com/_pages/0808-0809-1213-0534.html
For all that asked for it... yes it is a mapping symbol.
ReplyDeletewww.surveying.wb.psu.edu/sur162/stadia/radial.htm
You stupid, right wing nutcases. Take some moral responsibility for once. No one knows what a surveyor's symbol looks like. The intention was for the piece to look like the crosshairs of a scope. Maybe the idiot who drew it, didn't fashion it right. And the rhetoric is gun-toting, shoot em' up talk. Jebus, just friggin take the blame. And if they aren't crosshairs and you idiots aren't talking about guns, why did the Princess of Stupid take it down?? Dumb hillbillies!
ReplyDeletenot sue where the www came from... see #79
ReplyDeletehttp://surveying.wb.psu.edu/sur162/stadia/radial.htm
it is a benchmark and it is on every site plan drawn.
ReplyDeletePalin thinks they're bullseye icons:
ReplyDeletehttp://twitter.com/#!/SarahPalinUSA/status/29677744457
who are you to disagree with her?
Thanks for the psu link. I had trouble finding one in Google images not knowing what to call it.
ReplyDeleteOh puleeze. I'm a real estate attorney for over 25 years. There is no such survey symbol. Crosshair symbols in surveying are always square. Round symbols represent pipes and never have crosshairs. Further, Palin herself called them bullseyes and referred to reloading. Try an ounce of honesty for a change.
ReplyDeleteBack on March 25th 2010 it was already being discussed that this was a Surveyor Symbol and not a crosshairs.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-dallas/democrat-named-weiner-sarah-palin-should-shut-the-tweet-up
The left is the one who started using the crosshairs/bullseye references. Palin's Tweet was just her poking fun at the unhinged lefties who pretended it was an issue (notice she used quote marks on "bullseye" in her tweet).
In addition - the guy is CLEARLY not a Palin supporter or a Tea Partier. Trying to paint some vague anti-government sentiment as proof of Tea Party membership is ridiculous.
A friend described him as liberal. The reality is he was nuts and it doesn't really matter much what his political leanings were. He was unstable. We should be discussing how nothing was done if so many knew something was wrong.
Instead some idiot lefties wanting to use every tragedy as a political weapon prevent us from having that discussion because they are too busy acting like jealous 3rd grade girls trying to get the rest of the class to hate the pretty new girl.
They aren't too different from the shooter if you think about it. Perhaps they are hoping to incite one of their own to attack Palin?
Gee, who to trust a "real estate attorney" or the Penn State College of Engineering....
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I've seen those symbols have a couple of uses.
1 - In geography courses, we called them "benchmark symbols" (but I'm not sure if that's an "official name" or just what we called it.
2 - Also, a similar symbol are used (in CADD software too) to represent the direction of current on electric circuits (a la Maxwell's screw rule)
Anyway, here's a geopographic example from the United States Geological Survey:
(Page 2, right hand side "Principal Point")
http://egsc.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/booklets/symbols/topomapsymbols.pdf
I can't believe the Left is trying to use the crimes of a mentally ill man to score political points. Disgusting.
And Real Estate guy, "Try an ounce of honesty for a change."
Surveyor's Symbol?!!! Give me a break. If that is true then Sarah won't mind this shirt: http://tinyurl.com/palinscrosshairs
ReplyDeleteAsk and ye shall receive. See symbol #79 (BM = Benchmark) It's a commonly used surveying symbol, as is #87. I should know. I'm a land surveyor.
ReplyDeletehttp://up-ship.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/SYMBOLS.gif
"Surveyor's symbols"? Really? Palin's use of the words "TAKE AIM" and "RELOAD" and other such rhetoric just doesn't work with mere surveyor's symbols but they DO make sense with gun CROSSHAIRS. Sorry, Sarah, but that's the lamest thing you've EVER come up with. You ARE culpable -- you didn't pull the trigger, but you sure planted the idea and encouraged someone else to do it. You don't have blood on your hands but its on your soul. Whatever happened to being PRO LIFE?
ReplyDeleteBut she called it a bullseye Nov 4th. I've never hear bullseye used in surveying.
ReplyDeletehttp://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/29677744457
It seems the US government geological site knows their symbols.
ReplyDeleteAbout halfway through on the right column you will see "CONTROL DATA AND MONUMENTS." Now remember .. these are symbols for maps - maps like Sarah Palin's map. The first entry under the title bar is labled "Principal point,"
http://egsc.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/booklets/symbols/topomapsymbols.pdf
Anon @ 9:56
ReplyDeleteA Principal point is the position from which surveying was done for a topographic survey. Exactly how does that apply to the way the symbols were used on Palin's map? Technically, they're only supposed to be used on provisional editions of surveys as well, according to your link. So, if that was the symbol they intended to use, they completely misused it.
Hysterical.
ReplyDeletePlease tell me this is a parody
If you are going to claim to speak for God, and hide behind religion, then have the khunas to be honest... Everyone knew what this rhetoric refers to... everyone knows what was meant... What would Jesus do now?
ReplyDeleteWhat is wrong with some of you people....crosshair or suveyor symbol?? You are missing the point while you salivate listening to your socialist gurus... no one told this seriously disturbed individual to go out and kill people, other than the voices in his head or he's just a bad guy. End of story. Are you socialists really this desperate to use a tragedy like that which occurred in AZ in order to play politics? Rhetorical question - of course, you are! How do you live with yourselves?
ReplyDeleteThe whole point is that the CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT was targeted for ELECTORAL DEFEAT< NOT the congresswomen! Reading anything more into it, even if they ARE crosshairs(which they are not) is delusional.
ReplyDelete"The whole point is that the CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT was targeted" so it wouldn't be a benmark/principal point would it because isn't that where you start a survey from not what you're aiming for? (Land Surveyor person can tell me).
ReplyDeleteThis is used for target shooting:
http://www.reedstargetshootingclub.co.uk/pages/images/target.jpg
http://air.guns.20megsfree.com/contact.html
and as you said yourself the districts were targeted and Palin mentioned not to retreat but to reload when advertising it. For her and her people to say it's all to do with Surveyor's maps that they've probably never seen in their life is daft.
He's a nutter and wouldn't have needed that map to encourage him anyway. But you also can't say that what he did wasn't political because he said it was himself before he did it in his 'final thoughts'
"If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. "
"Nonetheless, read the United States of America's Constitution to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws."
"The property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution.
Thus, the revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the land and the laws."
"No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver! "
All of those are political points that have been made on talk back and rallies and what not.
If I were a paranoid schizophrenic, I would see your "surveyor symbol" as a target to hit. The voices in my brian would tell me to take out that taget. If I lived in a gun readily available society, I would go out target practicing.
ReplyDeleteof course, all of you blaming Palin's "cross hair" symbol can PROVE that this nutter even glanced at her website?? That this loser ever listened to one of her speeches (let alone prove that he heard the "reload" comment? You can PROVE that while he was busy reading the communist manifesto, he was secretly plotting his "right wing" behavoir??? None of you even make any sense! You hate Palin, therefore everyone should hate Palin.... i think it was that kind of logic that got this murderer kicked out of college.
ReplyDeleteMaybe this guy was a left-wing nutcase that wanted to delay the Republican led REPEAL of OBAMACARE??? anyone considered that? it's just as stupid an argument as saying that the symbolic targets caused his break with what was obviously a tenuous grip on reality!!!
ReplyDeleteI am an engineer and can tell you those are NOT surveyors' symbols. Symbols used by surveyors have more lines, some at the top and and at the bottom depending on the data obtained during the survey. There is a lot more information on a survey data line than in a crosshair from a rifle. And the word RELOAD does not appear in the surveyors linguistic uses.
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It's clear from the context of Sarah Palin's own words that they are indeed surveyor's symbols. Listen to what she has said: "Don't retreat, remeasure the baseline", "the founding fathers sometimes settled differences with surveyor's transits" and "lock and lay out the chain". Yup... all surveyor references - nary a gun reference in her words.
ReplyDeleteThis web site is nothing but a collection of lies. May god have mercy on your unpatriotic evil soul.
ReplyDeleteThose are surveyor's symbols. I am a surveying student. Fuck all of you liberal motherfuckers!
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